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Best I could understand from a few mentions here and there is that Power Holo gained some nice DPS, but I don't have numbers, just hearsay. Hoping to see something interesting, but I think Pyro mentioned to me that Sw/P Holo can rival numbers of the Rifle/Kits setup so that's pretty neat. For anyone with a remote interest in the other stuff Engi got, no, put your healing dreams away. There are still several crucial issues with Engi healing support for PvE AND WvW that are not likely to be solved simply with creative use of what we have right now. That said, the cleanse support that Engi gained is not stat-reliant, so WvW specs can pretty easily pick up very strong supplementary support options within their bruiser and damage specs, so that's nice. I have had excellent results for Scrapper and Holo.

From this evening, a lovely ninja of Hills from a hot map.

I will try to get some footage of Power Holo sorted out. Pretty happy with the results I am getting, looking to move on to Soulbeast and try a friend's build.

Oh dear lord, the sustain.

So, is everyone who was able to transferred? Did anyone need help with anything to get started?

There will be a lot to learn across the board, myself included. But this should be fun and excellent as long as we are all willing to play towards success, however we end of defining that in our goals. I will be our guardian; I believe that I might have the most time in this setting and I will try to share what I know. What's strong, weak, safe, risky, for both tactics and builds. Something that I mentioned to Mold earlier this evening. Combining a Support Aura Tempest with a Support Guard (both in minstril), is such a nicely broad support base that we can run nearly any builds alongside those and do pretty well. I may rotate in some Scrapper play if someone would like me to train them a bit on the Guardian role.

*insert joyous exaltations here* I am excited and can help people with builds for nearly every class. I have played most build arch-types and am happy to share insight. Looking forward to some havoc!

With the new explosives traits, I think there is potentially for Engineer to be either a primary, or very strong supplementary might stacker. Both Power and Condi setups would be modifications of the DPS setups, swapping Scholar to Strength and Berserker to Aristocracy for example, but I am unsure exactly utilities to setup with. Power is a bit simpler, I wanted to experiment with going ham on the blasts and bringing very strong CC in the form of Thumper + Traited Mine + Bomb Kit. Maybe keep Nades for the new toolbelt over Thumper to retain that damage.

Got to do some Golem testing, as well as some messing around with T4 Dailies. Your impression is pretty spot on. I would say in a Raid environment it's easier (due to consistency for many elements) to pull this build off, but it's pretty reliant on a few things you can't necessarily control. Get stuck in GS with a bad swap, lose massive damage. Mis-order, damage loss. RS4 into non-ice or fire field, hefty loss. I like the potential for the fights where epi blasts are a strong enough reason to bring the necro. This build gives it the potential to do competitive Condi DPS while bringing that Epi, but for other runs where the epi is just alright, I don't know.

I have been keeping tabs on one of the people I have been following for a while, Farbstoff. He is a very nice German programmer that likes Necromancer. Due to qT not having time, per there write-up, they recommended folks keep an eye on Condition Reaper benchmarks from Farbstoff. I have not looked into Power Reaper from Brazil too seriously, because the initial findings did not seem to yield strong results. But this caught my attention. Rotation - Avg DPS Realisitc Buffed: 30 - 30,5K While this does appear to have some built in ramp-up time, as many of the condition builds do, this was achieved with realistic buffs, as well as no epidemic. That's a pretty big deal, because that is respectable DPS for a Condi DPS class IF it were the case that they also brought Epidemic for heavy/dangerous add fights. I would like to have a discussion on fielding this build in a Condi Subgroup-style comp in fights where Epidemic could provide that unique value that seems to be one of the only things Necro has left. The goal is not really to just give Necro a place for that sake of it, but if this DPS is indeed achievable, and it can swap one utility out for Epidemic, I think that has genuinely strong value. Proposed sub-group: Chrono - Druid - Condi PS - Condi Engi/Condi Ranger - Epi Necro Fights where this might see the most value: Sabetha: The goal is to melt adds with Epi-bounces. heavy anti-Karde set-up with Epi against both turrets and back to Sab when she returns, and Karde takes that 25% bonus condition damage. Sloth: Same as before, we melt adds, and multi-bounce if done with caution for full Condi-Mirror setup with two Necros. Chess: If the single target DPS of this builds holds up, I see the strong potential for running a full Condi squad. The double of epidemics could mean fast melting of the chess pieces without having to worry about the pulsing slow from the pieces tripping up taking them out due to slower use of multiple cleaving cooldowns from power builds in that pinch situation. We also might be able to make good use out of the Epi-bounce when one of the pieces gets close during that first pass and be able to push out damage a little harder for that section. We don't typically have too much trouble with either Sab or Sloth, so this might just be an interesting approach for us. Chess I know I have seen some groups favor condition setups with necros for the strategy I outlined, so I would like to give that a go, sounds fun. I gave some thought to other fights, but many of the fights have power biases, and we are already strong on those fights with the setups we bring, so there may well not be enough value in investing into new [condition=>epi] strats to make it worth or while for the time being. Would others be interested in giving this type of set up a go if we can have some success in reproducing Farbstoff's results reasonably (yes, this is a strong caveat)?

Hi Jojo!

If that's the case, that is a little disappointing, but understandable. If that is the case, and double Chrono is still the way to go, then a few follow up questions come to mind. If we want to test the concept of a non-mirror comp, what might be some theoretical distributions if the only thing we were looking to change was swapping out 1 warrior? What about a warrior and a druid as well? Would those two pursuits even be worthwhile efforts? Is it the case that mirror simply remains the most efficient set up? So many questions. Edit: I really, REALLY wish they would have added another strong quickness generator. Even if it could not compete with Chrono, if it was able to cover gaps just enough to allow for the solo Chrono while still being a build worth bringing at least partially on it's own merit, that would have been excellent.